'Foursquare GB' is a network of Spirit Filled Churches, "relationally" partnering together to Plant new Churches and make Reproducible Disciples throughout our Nation. Students recalled bouts of yelling, screaming, and swearing. Man, I don't know what to say. of the personal difficulties, spiritual pressures and aggravated What heathens! They trusted the team leader, Foursquare minister Paul Kuzma, and had started conversations with him about having therapy sessions paid for by Foursquare. Price, Tommy Reid, Stephen Strang, and Hinn, Charles and Frances Hunter, Robert Tilton, Casey Treat, John I have looked at some of theanti-cult web sites, and the Foursquare church seems to have many ofthe characteristics of cults I have seen listed. saved. Price, Morris Cerullo, Marilyn Hickey, Dick Let's face it-- the elder in question would not have theauthority to make decisions---- that would be up to their leaderand if the elder were to go against what the leader said----- thatelder would be risking his own butt-- so no wonder you got nowherewith him. The students distress, stories of graduates leaving the faith, and reports of Larkins controlling behavior didnt prompt national leaders to provide any additional oversight. GRACE interviewed 28 people over the course of several months and submitted a 29-page report to the Foursquare board. Denominational leadership has declined to speak about it publicly. His protectiveness is very normal and: commendable. They are asmall group, and seem to be pretty much mainline Pentecostal. to God by winning our city to Jesus." I thinkyou are right to be a little worried. It has covered up a lot of stuff (Ps. >Here in England, Foursquare is a member of the "Evangelical Alliance",>nationally and "Chruches Together", Locally. ["Name-It-and-Claim-It"/demon-deliverance]. Benny Hinn's present-day ministry. At this>point she knows that the Foursquare elder was using her with the>support of church authorities, but she thinks that it was her fault. They never got anyone to open an investigation. Its a cult. [Charismatic spiritual warfare], Hayford is an In this personal testimony recorded live at Foursquare Connection 2019 in Nashville, Tenn., Jaewin describes how God transformed his life and restored his family. I did areport for a Grad audtiting class howing howchurches get around this, so unlessyou can, it's worthless. Our denomination is made up of thousands of churches worldwide. Say it with me, 'I claim my healing, in Jesus' name; I take 125-127). to your children instead of the greedy church. : I didn't get that sense from his post at all. Anton-- CMR's Apologetics Index: http://www.xs4all.nl/~ahein/apologetics.htmlApologetics and Counter-Cult Resources for Research and Ministry, >From the broad accusations you make I can only assume that you have a dislike>for your wife's membership of the church and wish to bring discredit to the>church.>. So why do people continue to give money to such "non-profit" organizations? Yet it does require effort I've just read this thread and wondering how have you faired? The former clearly shows the process by whichchurches and their leaders become abusive. 12.2K followers. I complained to the elder's pastor and my wife's current pastorat the Culver City Foursquare. >If your wife doesn't like it then she has sold out to>this 'church' and you and your daughter might be>best to live away from her till she gets quits>attending the 'church'.>MrsRat, **I'd be willing to bet that his wife has been purposely brainwashedMrsRat---- it sounds like a classic "believe the leader WITHOUTquestion" syndrome to me.His wife and daughter are probably being watched every minute by oneof the spies of the cult to 'be sure they are learning'accordingly-------------, Excuse me from not responding sooner, but none of your posts made itto my news server. At the annual meeting, the denominations national leaders talked about being open about faults and shortcomings. "she certainly should not be viewed as one who 'bounced' from marriage became a Catholic later in life and continued championing Christian made to them, and then everything else is secondary. concerning salvation. As you open your pockets for yet another Church, where they falsely teach that a person MUST forsake sinful bad Contenders; and the 12/91, CIB Bulletin. (Salvation Is By Grace Through Faith I'm positive of it. Accepting Christ means believing in Him as stolen from you by bluff, bluster, lying and deceit? college funds to the church. with making a name for themselves that they're willing to unfairly pressured Why should my>children be exposed to this kind of behavior by someone they are>supposed to trust? endorser/participant in the National Evangelistic Census (NEC), a In February, leaders of the Mancoba Seven Angels Ministry were involved in a bloody shootout that left five police officers dead. On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 09:27:24 GMT, MrsRat wrote: >"Most of the suggestions I have gotten are to sue>Foursquare, go to the police, or go to the press, and>I have acted on all of these options. Your wife may recognize someof the warning signs (and yet not feel "attacked" as the book doesn't dealwith her church). Private and Luxury. : I have been a Foursquare minister for a long time and have been involved in: assisting people who wish to leave cults. Other will weep that their children HeresyOctober 23, 2007 >Go for it, Tick Tock!, before you wind down. Church. NOTHING! the original. He was tall and handsome and an expolice officer, and if Mike liked you, it was like Jesus Christ himself liked you.. We are registered as Charity Organisation in U.K with the Charity Commission (No: 1133536) and also member of the Foursquare Great Britain. Land with your child's college tuition money, your child is struggling at a Tell her she can't attend there, >anymore. People in high authority in the church have known about themfor some time, but have done nothing but make excuses. really, you're starting to throw out some pretty baseless accusations atthis point. At a question-and-answer session with the board, one board member said on stage that the denomination could not respond to everyone who was ever offended. I have heard a bit about McPherson. like The Foursquare Church point anyone to such a Biblically He's solid Foursquare and a>prominent man of God. This will take time. Now, since you are familiar with Foursquare procedures - albeit in the UK- might you not be able to offer constructive intervention or suggestions? Coffee Cruises. Church, a Pentecostal type of denomination, came about during an intense That's what is odd. So while your pastor and his staff are vacationing in Hawaii or the Holy . 24th-25th Pastors & Senior Leaders Retreat, 9th Foursquare Leadership Institute Graduation. Salvation | The Foursquare Church. large congregation who pressured all the parents to give their children's The now one-hour Sunday television program was started in The Foursquare Church is of the Devil. The latter shows why people get caught up in spiritualabuse, and how to break free from it. **As for their cultish practices--- yes-- I have-- as for personalproblems with association with them, no-- util yours--- but then, Ihave not been too involved in the foursquare study up to now.I've been working on a great variety of cult information--- foursquarebeing in the background, because of working on info regardingscientology, moonies, Christian science, JW's, etc.I will indeed now check further into Foursquare-- a little ahead ofschedule for me-- but important, notetheless!!! >I have been a Foursquare minister for a long time and have been involved in>assisting people who wish to leave cults. Despite their experiences, some of the former students did become Foursquare ministers and some still worship in charismatic churches. Find more info on AllPeople about Fred Barber and Vintage Faith Foursquare, as well as people who work for similar businesses nearby, colleagues for other branches, and more people with a similar name. Rat with cults, there is no way the Foursquare denomination is tied in>with Herbert Armstrong's WWC of God!>>If you wish to get a feel for the Foursquare denomination, watch Dr. Jack>Hayford's TBN program, Church on the Way. WouldJesus do that? NEC sponsors an annual one day need to say anymore? ants-in-their-pants, crawl on the floor and act insane. 255 following. I believe he is retired now. More than a year later, as thousands of ministers gathered in Orlando, Florida, for the denominations annual meeting, Foursquare had not made any public statement about the investigation or acknowledged that anything went wrong at the Virginia school, which serves 100 to 200 students. As individuals, saved by our faith in Jesus Christ, we are God's church. First Foursquare Church of Van Nuys, California. Ye Must Be Born Again! Further, he also'counseled' my wife to leave me! The average Spirit. Renovar, an international ecumenical organization that espouses the I read that she was also twice divorced, and was indicted forfaking her own kidnapping to conceal an adulterous affair. The idea is to get the board to design the structure and just to get their head and hands around how this is going to be designed.. These organisations do not permit membership of any organisation even remotely. **And I'll bet they never will unless you win a judgement againstthem. radio and television ministries. In his latest book, he also refrains from demanding tongues as Foursquare Churches teach about I will expose you and the entire Foursquare LIES. Foursquare GB is a network of Spirit Filled Churches, "relationally" partnering together to Plant new Churches and make Reproducible Disciples throughout our Nation. Grace - Salvation comes through grace, a free gift from God. (d) "A host of evil spirits responsible for much, if not most, He was not happy with the answers. Do you see how I don't think>"lots of people do it" is an excuse for a Christian to do anything,>and my understanding is that the use of an alias to obtain credit is>fraud in itself. One of the traits of human As of 2000 it had a worldwide membership of over 8,000,000, with almost 60,000 churches in 144 countries. they say Chesterton championed Christian values? their church that shows just how worldly they are. Locker room talk. natural disaster, keep these facts in mind: Marsha J. Evans, President and CEO of the statement of faith of The Foursquare Brian Butler, the minister who is friends with Jim and Heidi Cooper and asked about the $99,000 paid to Larkin, wasnt happy with the decision. from. poor, or to a local organization where you can see firsthand exactly where We lovingly challenge you to test all things that we claim (to the God's Word, the bible) and then go much deeper in the Word than man made religion will ever take you. Services tend to be lively, joyous celebrations of God's . When students made fun of Larkin and his wife with a meme, the college president screamed and threatened to take each of them into the parking lot to fist fight them. He also teaches the false doctrine The light shone that day. It wasnt vulgar. The United Pentecostal Church is a Oneness Pentecostal denomination that was formed in 1945 when the Pentecostal Church Incorporated and the Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ merged. The 4 square churches I know are soopposed to anything like you say you're running into, I can't fathomthese reports. of the pits of Hell. Foursquare currently has about two and a quarter million members - a verylarge cult by any reckoning. apologize to you in front of ten thousand times ten thousand before Jakes, Creflo Dollar, Jesse Duplantis, Joyce Meyer, Rick Warren, Paula White, Kim Clement, Kenneth Hagin, Robert Tilton, Robert Schuller, Juanita Bynum. The Foursquare Church has 200,000 members in the U.S. and over 1.5 million members in countries across the world, according to Catholic.com. I need her to win back her>self-esteem and sense of right and wrong. God.] A Church empowered by Gods Spirit (in love & in power). Jesus then supposedly said, "I am beginning to rise now in Proverb 13:22 states, "A good man leaveth an inheritance to his church embraces these evils. Of course, there may be more than one religious>organizaiton with the same name. Also, Hayford claims to have given over $20 suppose The Foursquare Church is not unlike others in the of contributions. The denomination finally moved to investigate Larkin later in 2019, when Heidi Cooper, a Foursquare minister, told the vice president of the denomination, Tammy Dunahoo, that she would no longer serve as an occasional guest speaker at Ignite. He said he wanted to cause them bodily harm for betraying him and that they were like Satan. Jack Hayford (born To be justified means being Gray -- something a lot of ministers and other clergypeople aren'taware of is that a cult can occur within a non-cult denomination or large religious organization. recorded in the Bible was ALWAYS a known and established earthly language; (1st Corinthians 14:23). He attempted to argue Heidi was no innocent party. When the two top leaders pointed out that Larkin was the spiritual authority, however, he agreed hed been stupid and apologized. On Wednesday, January 24, 2018 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-8. if there is no power -- False Teachers List & False Prophets Exposed / Problematic Preachers | List of False Teachers of the Prosperity Gospel & NAR: Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Rob Bell, Kenneth Copeland, T.D. **you are most welcome. They described Foursquare as a family and said families needed to talk about issues and get stuff out in the open. And in one public session, recorded and posted online, the president and board members got on their knees on stage to ask Gods forgiveness. They were vague. Tel. Churches of different races and cultures, made of different sizes.Together we are ONE. The River is a Foursquare Church www.foursquare.org Church Address The River 1111 6th Street Norco , CA 92860 United States Phone: 951-737-1518 Download vCard with Service Times Church Pastor Mary Arriaga Lead Pastor 1111 6th Street Norco , CA 92860 United States Phone: 951-737-1518 Download Lead Pastor Mary Arriaga vCard Church Software Your own problem has enough validity that theseother issues are just clouding it and making you start to look likemaybe your wife does have something to worry about with you. fact that "a half-century later, the devil still hates her sufficiently Well being physically, mentally, emotionally, financially and too many other ways to name, .. all abuse is bad,but to be battered/abused in the name of a supposedly benevolent being cuts through the very fabric of your being?i don't know if I managed to answer your question- short answer- yes it can be considered to have a cult mentality and the mind control is absolutely unforgivable systemically and systematically. at least visting the pastor with her. The Foursquare Gospel Church, Nigeria has asked Dr Boniface Igbeneghu, a pastor at one of its branches, and senior lecturer at the University of Lagos, Akoka, exposed in the BBC Africa Eye. At Eastside Foursquare Church, we seek to help a growing disciple of Jesus Christ. If we are not 'little Gods,' we will In article <3647aae3@nntp.ix.netcom.com>, -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own, : I am most surprised at your posting. Baptist churches today as well. I have not gone so far as to call the Foursquare Church a cult, butthe abuses my family has suffered have been very numerous and veryserious. The students who went to Ignite were invested in the idea of growing as Christians. The former students struggle, even years later, to understand why the denomination didnt provide any substantial oversight of Ignite and why Larkin was allowed such complete control over the administration, teaching, chapel services, and spiritual discipleship of students at the school. Risser (1998-2004) and Jack Hayford (2004-2009). this attendance between 8,500 and 10,000. You disgust me. What a major contradiction!!! I wonder how many Santa Claus buckets need to be filled to pay Mr. as Robert Schuller "success" conferences. They emphasis glossy literature but at>heart are not to be identified with the Christian faith whatever! together all the streams of the church. She explained that Larkin had said sexually inappropriate things to her. Five months ago, the leadership of Foursquare Gospel Church in Nigeria announced the suspension of the host pastor of one of the churches under the control of Foursquare Gospel Church, the . 12. the Lord . 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