Zodiac needed a T-square, lighttable, triangle and other drafting tools to draw that. They were mixed and the result was tested to obtain the partial fingerprint. One candidate stood out, though: Arthur Leigh Allen, a convicted sex offender who topped most investigators' list of likely suspects. They kept me in the loop at every stage of their quest over 3 years. FACT CHECK: Graysmith is once again distorting the facts and misleading the public. These guys worked their hearts out to create a film of the 1970s with many layers and the support of ALL of us who worked to capture Zodiac. After several Zodiac letters had arrived at the offices of The San Francisco Chronicle, the newspaper staff was instructed that touching the letters and envelopes could damage fingerprint evidence and they were asked to not to handle the letters. I think with the attention of the new movie, new evidence might be uncovered. At the time that Toschi and Armstrong made these statements, both men were aware of virtually all of the evidence said to implicate Allen in the Zodiac crimes. And of course we handled them at the Chronicle. : The first guy who was murdered in the movie, the one with the girl who were on a hillside ... What's happened to him? Graysmith has never produced the map and no one has ever confirmed its existence. According to the SFPD, Graysmith's claims are false and no DNA tests ever produced any results which matched Allen or any other suspect. The evidence proves that none of the other witnesses had ever identified Allen (and Graysmith has never provived any evidence to support his claims that the boy witness or one of the girl witnesses at Berryessa had ever identified Allen). Graysmith's description matches his suspect, Arthur Leigh Allen, and not the man seen by witnesses in the Zodiac case. To learn more, read the article titled The Zodiac/Manson ConspiraZ. According to the police reports, the investigators and the family of Arthur Leigh Allen, police contacted Allen's brother Ron and his sister-in-law Karen to inform them that Allen was a suspect in the Zodiac case. FACT CHECK: There is no credible evidence that Michael Mageau ever "vanished" or that police were unable to locate him. Graysmith's claims regarding the equipment necessary to produce the Zodiac's code are simply his opinion posing as fact-- the Zodiac did not require such equipment to produce the code, although he may have used such equipment to do so. This is not a skill that is taught. I feel that by working together, using such assistance as can be provided by the best brains in the state (such as psychiatrists and criminologists) and such aids as computers, the Zodiac will be in custody in the near future. I interviewed the babysitters but they were never shown a photo of any of the suspects since they saw only an owl-faced man in a car from a distance. Robert Graysmith: Absolutely. FACT CHECK: Graysmith has repeatedly exaggerated and distorted the stories regarding Bob Vaughn in order to further his own theory that the Zodiac was somehow altering his handwriting and that more than one person was involved in the crimes. Allen is the only one of 2500 suspects who is also a cartoonist. However, the DNA which was used to exclude Allen was obtained from an envelope, from underneath the stamp, and it is not likely that the DNA was transferred there by anyone handling the letters. Several work very well. Det. It seems the most obvious course to obtain a conviction. Graysmith states that his job was to "keep the case alive," a euphemism for his crimes against the truth and his campaign to railroad Allen in the court of public opinion. Robert Graysmith: Hi. His description of a scene from the film based on his book features this puzzling passage regarding the police search of a trailer owned by suspect Arthur Leigh Allen. I turned this over to David Fincher while he was conducting his own private investigation. The television show who organized the testing obtained them from there. Graysmith claimed that he had "changed some dates and the names of the three suspects" in his first book. He then placed the letter and the scrap into an unsealed envelope and then placed that envelope (and its contents) into another envelope which he sealed and addressed to a friend in the hopes that his friend would seal the envelope and lick the stamp but never look inside the envelope or ever question Allen's need for his services as a substitute tongue. None of the witnesses ever described the Zodiac as Graysmith did: 6 feet tall, 230lbs, and balding. They were soaked with blood but were too small for a man. Graysmith has alluded to "records" kept by officials which named those at the lake that day although no such records were ever kept and did not exist. Look at the skeleton death threat card to Avery. One method measures the size of the hand in inches while the other method creates an estimate based on height and hand size. Graysmith claimed that, in February 1997, the SFPD had contacted him regarding the results of DNA testing on the envelope which had contained the suspected Zodiac forgery of April 1978. Has there ever been a mystery like this? It looked kinda greasy." "The trailer search continues as the inspectors find two windbreakers. The last known Zodiac crime occurred in 1969, and the last authenticated letter was sent in 1974. FACT CHECK: The Zodiac had sewn a crossed-circle symbol onto the chest of his costume; this would be virtually impossible to do on a bomb disposal "costume" which is made to withstand explosive impact. Graysmith has mentioned the "typewritten guest list" of the party for many years but no one has ever produced this alleged document and no one in law enforcement has ever confirmed its existence. Graysmith and the movie greatly exaggerated Avery's problems and behavior in order to fuel the myth that the case somehow destroyed his career and life when, in fact, this was not true. FACT CHECK: Graysmith wrote that his book "ended the reign of Zodiac." It could also be that Arthur Leigh Allen simply copied Vaughn's handwriting to write his letters (it is relatively easy to mimic someone's handwriting with time and a lot of writing samples). There is still so much to learn. I have completed 23, yes 23, which I have illustrated with drawings, foldout maps, long bibliographies and put in my library. I can't speak for the filmmakers who worked with the original officers and with the surviving victims and witnesses to make the best film possible. Every letter was handled by a photoengraver and made into a velox. Graysmith has repeatedly claimed that Arthur Leigh Allen was at Lake Berryessa on the day of the Zodiac attack there yet he has never produced any evidence to support this claim. Fincher never uncovered such statements. This is the only logical theory I can sort out after watching the Zodiac Movie. Graysmith states that the copycat killer in New York appeared "long after" he had published his first book. There is still so much to learn. I'm Robert Graysmith. EDIT: Changed my wording -- I made it sound like the movie definitively implicated Allen as the Zodiac, instead of merely suggesting that he was the likeliest suspect. FACT CHECK: Graysmith has repeatedly mentioned the map of Lake Berryessa allegedly found during the research for the film ZODIAC but no one has ever confirmed its existence or discovery. We are great problem solvers and go to the heart of the matter. This individual was identified and authorities concluded that he was not the Zodiac. FACT CHECK: Graysmith is entitled to his opinions. Graysmith's claims to the contrary are not only false but born of his need to explain how police had failed to arrest his suspect when so much seemingly damning evidence implicated Allen. The day after going into the hardware store I stood in line at the post office and wrote the last page in pencil and put it in with my typed manuscript and sent it to my editor at St. Martin's Press, Richard Marek, James Baldwin's former editor. I worked with Sherwood Morrill and found him to be diligent. The methods described by Graysmith do not indicate that Allen wrote the Zodiac letters. A young man named Leigh (who I did find down south) who knew Darlene and saw her with an older man. FACT CHECK: Graysmith claims that he waited until 1986 to publish his book out of concern for generating a copycat killer. None of the witnesses ever described the Zodiac as Graysmith did: 6 feet tall, 230lbs, and balding. Downey did a fantastic job. The story of the painting party, the mysterious stranger who allegedly stalked Darlene Ferrin, and the majority of the stories told by Pam and Linda have been debunked and refuted by Darlene's husband Dean and other members of their family. Whereas, Bryan Hartnell, the stabbing victim, survived and prospered. Graysmith also misleads the readers by suggesting that modern technology would have been able to trace the calls to the KGO TV station and, therefore, would have led to the arrest of the Zodiac. Yet he states that in 1981 he "dropped in on Sherwood Morrill "to compare handwriting of a suspect with the Zodiac's (ZODIAC, pg. Someday I will offer these books, all on different subjects, for publication but the sheer joy of doing them make these the best days of my life. I watched the DVD of Zodiac last night and had a question: I don’t quite understand what happened in one scene and probably won’t have the chance to watch it again. Whoever Zodiac is he is a skillful artist. Allen included a scrap of blood-soaked clothing taken from a Zodiac victim. FACT CHECK: Graysmith largely ignores this question because the facts strongly suggest that the fingerprints found on the cab did belong to the Zodiac and these prints do not belong to Graysmith's suspect. Here is an example of the manner in which Graysmith "changed" the facts in ZODIAC. In his answer here, Graysmith stated: "David Fincher has carried the case forward by locating statements by the Washington and Stine witness and the officer who passed Zodiac who identified Allen as the man they saw." None of us take this case lightly. Graysmith states that he is glad to have left the case behind but, at the same time, every word he utters proves that he has been consistently obsessed with the case, writing two books in less than 7 years. FACT CHECK: None of the many witnesses who reportedly saw the Zodiac had ever described the suspect as "balding." In his book ZODIAC, Graysmith claimed the suspected Zodiac letter of 1978 was authentic, and he presented an elaborate, though seriously flawed, theory to support this claim. Robert Graysmith: Yes. He ended up representing Mike in court in one of those ironic path crossings of the only two surviving victims. Arthur Leigh Allen. The witnesses at the Stine scene never identified Allen. Robert Graysmith: God bless you. I am still getting calls at midnight from them about documents and dates--I have boxes to the ceiling of my studio filling one entire wall two layers deep, and I say, " Guys, the movie is done. This description was subsequently adjusted for the SFPD composite sketch which published this description: WMA 35-45 years old, 5'8" Reddish brown hair, Crewcut, Heavy Rim Glasses, Navy blue or black jacket. When confonted, Graysmith claimed that he had received this false information from an unnamed police source, although Graysmith's history of inventing false evidence to implicate Allen strongly indicated that the police source never existed and that Graysmith himself was responsible for the false story of Allen's speeding ticket. I compiled this in a book called SHOOTING ZODIAC, which ends where most Hollywood books begin. I have published 7 true crime books, 3 have been movies. Graysmith has known these facts for many years, and he was aware that both Pam and Linda had a documented history of inventing tall tales when he cited both as reliable sources in his books ZODIAC and ZODIAC UNMASKED. I worked with Sherwood Morrill and found him to be diligent. According to the police reports, the investigators and the family of Arthur Leigh Allen, police contacted Allen's brother Ron and his sister-in-law Karen to inform them that Allen was a suspect in the Zodiac case. "Hey, hey," says Toschi, "black gloves. In short, Mageau's description did not match Allen and his identification of Allen, despite these descrepencies, led many to question the accuracy of his identification. I just never wanted to do another Zodiac book, but this story is really about three good guys who take on an obstacle. FACT CHECK: Graysmith claims that he waited until 1986 to publish his book out of concern for generating a copycat killer. In truth, Avery never wrote such a letter. I am the luckiest guy in the world. Door to door, that is less than 50 yards. If the ultimate conclusion of the movie is that Arthur Leigh Allen was the likeliest candidate for the Zodiac, then why even have this scene which seems to implicate Vaughn? Mageau was contacted by police several times after the shooting and, on several occasions, he was asked to view photographs of various suspects (he identified none as the shooter). Graysmith claimed that, in February 1997, the SFPD had contacted him regarding the results of DNA testing on the envelope which had contained the suspected Zodiac forgery of April 1978. The boy at Lake Berryessa, Sept. 27, 1969, told me when I found him, "Man, I thought they caught that dude. This part was in the novel. He passed on to his son a love of sailing. # 6 - Seattle: How much of Avery's spiral (that is, the drinking, the drugs, the loss of job) was a result of his own obsesession with the Zodiac? His description of a scene from the film based on his book features this puzzling passage regarding the police search of a trailer owned by suspect Arthur Leigh Allen. In December of 1980, Graysmith had said that his book would be published by Norton and available in 1981 (the last entries in Graysmith's book are dated around this time). In December of 1980, Graysmith had said that his book would be published by Norton and available in 1981 (the last entries in Graysmith's book are dated around this time). In truth, FBI code experts and many others had concluded that Graysmith's solution was not valid, as documented in the FBI files pertaining to the Zodiac investigation. Mageau was contacted by police several times after the shooting and, on several occasions, he was asked to view photographs of various suspects (he identified none as the shooter). A young man named Leigh (who I did find down south) who knew Darlene and saw her with an older man. Robert Graysmith: Thanks for asking. FACT CHECK: Graysmith largely ignores this question because the facts strongly suggest that the fingerprints found on the cab did belong to the Zodiac and these prints do not belong to Graysmith's suspect. Yes you are right, the logical seemed to have been overlooked because so many of the 2500 suspects had been cleared by handwiting. Fincher just needed a spooky scene near thr end for pacing. Robert Graysmith: Avery was a former war correspondent and I think that the stress of that experience and the strain of the daily deadlines at the Chonicle made for a very addictive personality and more than a few reporters there sufferred similarly. The Zodiac killing costume consisted of old-fashioned Navy clothes, pants with pleats. Just kidding. After several Zodiac letters had arrived at the offices of The San Francisco Chronicle, the newspaper staff was instructed that touching the letters and envelopes could damage fingerprint evidence and they were asked to not to handle the letters. Robert Graysmith: I certainly hope so. The movie ZODIAC depicted Avery as dependent on an oxygen tank in the late 1970s, also indicating that he was unemployed and somehow retired. My job was to keep the case alive, to make it vivid and to make certain that someone reading the book might have the answer to the puzzle. But in the process of building their film all three became crackerjack detectives, finding new evidence such as a map of Lake Berryessa showing paved and gravel roads in and out of the area, the site of the murder and signed Arthur Leigh Allen. Graysmith wrote, "Who knows what DNA was picked up during that time." FACT CHECK: See FACT CHECK for the next question. Any thoughts? (pg. He used his elaborate projector theory to explain how Allen was able to disguise his handwriting and fool document experts such as Sherwood Morrill, who was only one of several experts to conclude that Allen did not write the Zodiac letters. Robert Graysmith: Zodiac as a film had to be of its time. Don Cheney had lived with Allen’s brother Ron during his college years and became friends with Arthur Leigh Allen via that relationship. The visual and arcane aspects of the Zodiac appeal to a certain type of mind. Did he talk to you much about him playing you in the movie? If Toschi had determined, in 1969, that the gloves belonged to a woman passenger, as Graysmith wrote, he would have no reason to believe that the gloves belonged to the killer when searching Allen's trailer in 1971. He also pointed to the picture of another man in the photo lineup and stated that the face of that individual was similar to the face of the Zodiac. FACT CHECK: Graysmith is correct: Hartnell did have encounters with Mageau in the years after the Zodiac attacks. My best friend, Inspector Dave Toschi who lives nearby, and I have been going over that for nearly thirty years. These match the 150 receipe cards that the director found. Allen first came to the attention of the San Francisco Police Department in the summer of 1971. The earliest date for any police interest in Allen was October 1969, one month AFTER the attack at Lake Berryessa. Robert Graysmith: Yes, there are palm prints and the partials on Stine's cab that don't match anybody. The last known Zodiac crime occurred in 1969, and the last authenticated letter was sent in 1974. Conway and Lt. Jim Husted of Vallejo PD were right and that the Zodiac was Arthur Leigh Allen. In 1976, Graysmith obtained a copyright for his own book about the Zodiac case. In 1971, Avery did write a summary of the Zodiac case for Chief Robert Houghton which ended with the following pararagraph: "I feel privileged that you have asked me to assist in the coordinated investigation as a sort-of special investigator and consultant on media relations and I look forward to working you, Chief Houghton and the other investigators who may be assigned to the Zodiac Squad. Investigators believed that this man was the same man seen by the boy, and his father, at the lake, indicating that they did not describe the man as bald. He is the most accessible of all the actors, a regular guy and if you have a chance to see him on Broadway please go. Graysmith has alluded to "records" kept by officials which named those at the lake that day although no such records were ever kept and did not exist. I could see his hair. : Are you done with this case now or might you do another book about it? That's the man who shot me at Blue Rock Springs!" Witnesses at the Stine scene, including police officer Donald Fouke, provided this description: "White Male Adult, in his early forties, 5'8", heavy build, reddish-blond 'crew cut' hair, wearing eyeglasses, dark brown trousers, dark (navy blue or black) 'Parka' jacket, dark shoes." Dean Ferrin stated that no such party ever took place in his home and that he painted the house himself without the help of anyone else. Ron and Allen were surprised to learn that Allen was a suspect, they explained that they had never suspected him, and neither believed that he could be the Zodiac. Graysmith's response to the question about slandering Allen proves what many critics have said about him--- namely, that he doesn't see anything wrong in slandering and libeling Allen because Allen was a convicted child molester, as if Allen's guilt regarding his crimes against children somehow excuses Graysmith when he not only exaggerates and distorts the evidence said to implicate Allen in the Zodiac crimes but even invents his own facts in order to do so. The facts demonstrate that all of the agencies involved had cooperated throughout the Zodiac investigation. It said Zodaic on label, but Bawart told me that it only showed Allen mooning the police. Did suspects Arthur Leigh Allen and Rick Marshall know each other? Later he discovered that they belonged to a woman passenger from earlier in the day." In his Post answer, Graysmith wrote, "Still even if the DNA rules out Allen, even though he knew the victims and was near or at the crime scenes, it still not rule him out." Graysmith claimed that Allen asked friends to lick and seal his stamps and envelopes, stating that Allen would sometimes mail unsealed letters inside envelopes that he had sent to these friends. While surviving victim Michael Mageau had identified Allen as the man who shot him, police reports demonstrate that his identification was highly suspect, that Mageau also stated that the Zodiac had a face similar to another man shown in the photo-lineup, and that police did not believe his identification was valid. He visited Dave in San Francisco and came back as him. According to the police reports, the investigators and the family of Arthur Leigh Allen, police contacted Allen's brother Ron and his sister-in-law Karen to inform them that Allen was a suspect in the Zodiac case. Published on December 7, 1999, the story was titled, THE DAY POLICE THOUGHT THEY NAILED THE ZODIAC. ... Lampshaded when Robert briefly thinks that Bob Vaughn is the Zodiac. Robert Graysmith: I did like a scene I watched filmed in front of the Chronicle with Avery sleeping his car. Robert Graysmith: Some DNA testing was done in 1988. Respectfully, Paul Avery, Investigative Reporter, The San Francisco Chronicle." Robert Graysmith: God bless you. [Armstrong himself once told an interviewer that Graysmith's chapter regarding Allen in the book ZODIAC was "hogwash."] He visited Dave in San Francisco and came back as him. At the time that Toschi and Armstrong made these statements, both men were aware of virtually all of the evidence said to implicate Allen in the Zodiac crimes. This is not a skill that is taught. FACT CHECK: Toschi, Bawart and Conway may have believed that Arthur Leigh Allen was the Zodiac but the facts strongly indicate that he was innocent and the San Francisco and Vallejo police departments did not endorse Allen as a viable suspect after the DNA, handwriting, fingerprint and even palm print comparisons had excluded Allen as a suspect. Zodiac is a 2007 American mystery thriller film directed by David Fincher from a screenplay by James Vanderbilt based on the 1986 non-fiction book of the same title by Robert Graysmith.The film stars Jake Gyllenhaal, Mark Ruffalo, Robert Downey Jr., and Anthony Edwards, with Brian Cox, Elias Koteas, Donal Logue, John Carroll Lynch, and Dermot Mulroney in supporting roles. I have over my desk as I type this five cartoons drawn and signed by a suspect in the Zodiac case--Arthur Leigh Allen. In the updated edition of ZODIAC UNMASKED, Graysmith wrote that the gloves were important evidence belonging to the killer. David Fincher has carried the case forward by locating statements by the Washington and Stine witness and the officer who passed Zodiac who identified Allen as the man they saw. The gloves found in the cab were most likely too small to belong to the individual described by witnesses to the crime. Allen had been interviewed by police from the early days of the Zodiac investigations and was the subject of several search warrants over a 20-year period. In fact, Avery did not require the use of oxygen until the late 1990s. Arthur Leigh Allen killed and Bob Vaughn wrote the letters. I was a bit slow at the beginning because I have only recently gone on line and gotten email. My interest and passion about Zodiac actually has been turned onto a beneficial path. Robert Graysmith: I spent three years editing Zodiac, after 13 drafts of 1200 pages to 317, to be certain we were on safe legal grounds. Robert Graysmith: In my previous answer I laid out the chronology of the path of the tested letters which were in private hands and outside the chain of police custody. Allen's driver's license, issued on October 13, 1967, described him as six feet tall, 250 lbs, with brown hair. Graysmith's book was also available in Japan at the time that the Japanese copycat Zodiac first appeared. If Morrill actually believed that Graysmith's projector theory was true, he would not continue to exclude or include suspects based on their handwriting. Graysmith claimed that the Zodiac letters had been mishandled, exposed to the Sacramento summers, and were not refrigerated. Robert Graysmith: Yes. Graysmith states that the "best detectives" he knows consider Allen to be the main suspect. We are great problem solvers and go to the heart of the matter. That's the man who shot me at Blue Rock Springs!" Later he discovered that they belonged to a woman passenger from earlier in the day." Graysmith states that his job was to "keep the case alive," a euphemism for his crimes against the truth and his campaign to railroad Allen in the court of public opinion. Sgt Lynch and put together a composite drawing. Don Cheney made many false claims designed to falsely implicate Allen in the Zodiac crimes, and even detective George Bawart, who had previously endorsed Cheney as a credible witness, began to doubt Cheney's story after he appeared in a documentary and made other strange claims. I loaned them everything I had because I believed they were going to do it right. Robert Graysmith: Not too many. The gloves found in the cab were most likely too small to belong to the individual described by witnesses to the crime. This conclusion was based in large part on Mageau's statements during his identification, his conflicting description and the fact that Mageau had admittedly seen the killer's face only for an instant more than two decades before he identified Allen as the shooter. Allen first came to the attention of the San Francisco Police Department in the summer of 1971. Robert Graysmith: Thank you for having me. Mike Mageau, the surviving victim from the July 4, 1969 shooting at Blue Rock Springs, was hospitalized with pins in his legs and wounds to his face and neck. FACT CHECK: Graysmith wrote that his book "ended the reign of Zodiac." In short, Mageau's description did not match Allen and his identification of Allen, despite these descrepencies, led many to question the accuracy of his identification. Mark Ruffallo simple became Toschi. This conclusion was based in large part on Mageau's statements during his identification, his conflicting description and the fact that Mageau had admittedly seen the killer's face only for an instant more than two decades before he identified Allen as the shooter. Who doesn't love Jake Gyllenhaal. Bawart did just that with the Stine killing and Blue Rocks Springs over thirty years after the crimes. Police were never able to identify this man and Graysmith repeatedly implied that Arthur Leigh Allen was this Lee. Toschi himself investigated Allen from 1971-1972 but then abandoned Allen in search of better suspects, going so far as to refer to other individuals as "excellent suspects" in the years that followed. Now, the name Rick Marshall, is and was Robert "AKA Bob" Vaughn's alias. "Just under the dash, Toschi found a pair of dull-black leather gloves. Graysmith and the movie greatly exaggerated Avery's problems and behavior in order to fuel the myth that the case somehow destroyed his career and life when, in fact, this was not true. Graysmith's claims regarding the equipment necessary to produce the Zodiac's code are simply his opinion posing as fact-- the Zodiac did not require such equipment to produce the code, although he may have used such equipment to do so. No one has ever come forward to claim that Allen said he was at Lake Berryessa on that day. While Graysmith did change "some dates" in his first book, more often that not he did so in order to make his suspect appear guilty. 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